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« on: September 30, 2007, 07:43:38 AM »

Africans divided over new US Command
The US military presents its new Africa Command (AFRICOM) as a helping hand offering aid and training to the continent, but many Africans fear it could bring double trouble to a conflict-racked region.

US officials dress the new regional command to be launched on Monday in a shiny altruistic uniform, saying it is designed to help Africa improve its own stability and security through good governance, the rule of law and economic opportunity.
 
 
But Africans, citing Iraq and Afghanistan, see twin dangers from AFRICOM in the form of increased US meddling and possible military intervention, and by making Africa a target of America's global enemies.

"The US military will only bring more harm to Africa," said Bile Abdi, an unemployed worker in Somalia, where US soldiers were killed during a disastrous "humanitarian" intervention in the early 1990s.

Some Somalis also criticise recent US support for the Somali interim government and its Ethiopian allies against Islamist forces as bringing more violence to the Horn of Africa.

"If America spreads itself in Africa, its enemies - Russia, Iran and China - will definitely come too," Abdi added.

Analysts see hard-nosed strategic motives behind AFRICOM.

They say the United States wants to secure oil flows from a continent that is already a key source of US energy imports in a volatile world. Gulf of Guinea producers like Nigeria and Angola will soon be supplying a quarter of US oil imports.

The deserts and mountains of the Horn of Africa and the arid Sahel have also become a new frontier in the US global war on terrorism, in which sub-Saharan oil suppliers may be vulnerable to violent Islamic militancy infiltrating down from the north.

US officials say AFRICOM will mean no new military bases in Africa - beyond an existing one in Djibouti. But some observers see the reinforced US footprint aimed at countering a commercial and diplomatic charge by China to lock up one of the world's still largely untapped troves of oil and minerals.

"The US initiative is aimed at weakening the increased presence of other powers like China," said Algerian political sciences professor Ismail Maaref Ghalia.

"There are two major agenda items: one is to secure resource flows, especially oil, and then counter-terrorism," Peter Takirambudde, Africa Director of Human Rights Watch, said.

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He told Reuters that while AFRICOM could boost international capacity to detect and respond with credible force to African humanitarian catastrophes like Darfur and their massive rights abuses, selfish strategic considerations may end up prevailing.

"When you have conflicts involving counter-terrorism and energy security, both tend to trump human rights," he said.

Although AFRICOM will initially remain based in Germany, it will eventually transfer to the continent, and finding an African home poses a tricky diplomatic problem.

Some US allies welcome the initiative.

"AFRICOM will be a very good idea to enhance stability and fight terrorism on the continent," Uganda's minister of state for defence, Ruth Nankabirwa, told Reuters.

At least one country, Liberia, founded by freed African slaves from America in 1847, is offering to host AFRICOM. "The command coming here will mean a lot for both countries," Information Minister Lawrence Bropleh told Reuters.

But Africa's southern segment including continental power South Africa appears virulently opposed to US bases.

"There will be no military base in Zambia or the SADC region," Zambian President Levy Mwanawasa, current head of the Southern African Development Community (SADC), said recently.

Zambian chief government spokesman Mike Mulongoti told Reuters: "It is like allowing a giant to settle in your home. And what would you do if you find him with your wife?".

US officials say AFRICOM staff would be distributed across several African states instead of concentrated in one site.

Kurt Shillinger, an analyst at the South African Institute for International Affairs, believes "neo-imperialistic conspiratorial" objections to AFRICOM may eventually fade.

"I think over time host nations stand to gain far more than they risk in terms of more professional militaries, stronger civilian-military relations, better disaster response," he said.

"Time, I suspect ... will settle the dust," he added.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2007, 10:37:51 AM »

Where I live (In africa) The AFRICOMs mission is mainly to help local forces fight the terror threat, and I support it, even thou I know groups like Al Qaeda will use it as an excuse to attack western interests here, that's the downside. However africa really needs help to aliviate poverty, and depending how Africans take it, stronger ties with the U.S. will actually boost Africas economy eventually, like it did for Europe after WW II.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2007, 06:31:22 PM »

Thats what I can't basically understand SB ever since I remember western countries have been pouring aid and money into Africa, and not little amounts, I am talking Billions of dollars over the years, and where has it gone?

And are those people one little bit graterful ........hell no! Stick their grubby little hands out for more.

I don't mind the US helping out where they see it, but basically I think Africa has already wasted enough time, effort and money belonging to the west.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2007, 11:37:17 PM »

I heard on the BBC World Service news this morning that the US were looking at the possibility of setting up the new command in Monrovia, Liberia. Ummmm.........nice posting!  wtf

Personally, I don't think its a good move. I think that America will find itself gradually getting sucked in to another can of worms.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2007, 12:32:51 PM »

Thats what I can't basically understand SB ever since I remember western countries have been pouring aid and money into Africa, and not little amounts, I am talking Billions of dollars over the years, and where has it gone?

And are those people one little bit graterful ........hell no! Stick their grubby little hands out for more.

I don't mind the US helping out where they see it, but basically I think Africa has already wasted enough time, effort and money belonging to the west.
I know what you mean Kiwi and believe me I feel the same way,we keep helping and the money just goes into some silly African leaders new jet or expensive car that even I cant afford! I just try and look at the bright side and still want to help people, however what the US is doing in Africa with Africom in North Africa, where I live is in order to fight terrorists and help other countries fight it for us, so this part of Africom is good, what the Africans will make of it is there problem.

Rampant corruption and primitive habits of having children like animals (excuse my language)  is the real cause of poverty in Africa, and yes sometimes I really feel the money the west is putting into Africa is a waste of taxpayers money! And now some silly people want to pardon all the debt of Africa, not realizing the money was used to build a palace for the local politicians......
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I heard on the BBC World Service news this morning that the US were looking at the possibility of setting up the new command in Monrovia, Liberia. Ummmm.........nice posting!  wtf

Yeah that sucks, we have no need to get bogged down in Liberia let the Africans who keep saying they are so much wiser than the west show proove it, I only support Africom when it come s to fighting Al Qaeda, like the africom in my area where i am living. If the Liberians want to masacre each other after all their ancestors went thru with slavery, then thats their problem, we need not get involved.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 10:43:34 PM »

Here here let the bastards fight it out amongst themselves.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2007, 10:30:25 AM »

In a recent report done by OXFAM , shows that Africas conflicts cost around 300 Billion dollars between 1990 & 2005, which represents an amount equivalent to the total  aid given to sub saharan African countries around that same time period by the International community (U.S. and western countries.) Now that sucks.......should we continue giving aid to Africa?
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2007, 12:15:01 AM »

Tricky question, that. I believe DIRECT aid should be given..ie..deliver the aid directly to the population, under the auspices of a reputable charity or agency, (Oxfam, UNICEFF etc), and not through the country's government. Also, I believe that aid should be less financial, and more practical. For example, not just giving tractors and equipment for agriculture, but training people up on how to maintain the plant and machinery to enable them to look after themselves.

Drought? Get the country to build desalination plants. Plenty of expertise avaiable from Southern Gulf countries.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2007, 12:52:12 AM »

In a recent report done by OXFAM , shows that Africas conflicts cost around 300 Billion dollars between 1990 & 2005, which represents an amount equivalent to the total  aid given to sub saharan African countries around that same time period by the International community (U.S. and western countries.) Now that sucks.......should we continue giving aid to Africa?

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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2008, 10:11:54 PM »

What? And have every misguided, misinformed bleeding heart liberal from The Hague to Hollywood screeching about the travesty being committed by all of us logical, pragmatic types?!?!?!

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2008, 12:40:21 PM »

 You brought this thread back from the dead ROFLMAO
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2008, 02:01:35 PM »

  IT'S ALIIIVVE!!!!


Still discussion-worthy threads shouldn't be left to die!!
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2008, 08:41:23 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2008, 03:38:53 PM »

Thanks!

I too think that we (meaning the "Western Civilized World") need to stop subsidizing and/or supporting one group over another, no matter the continent.

As an aside, though, I would dearly like to see Belgium take full responsibility for the Charlie Foxtrot they set into motion in Rwanda, Burundi.

However, the greater issue remains that the six decades' worth of financing which has flowed from the U.S., U.K., Australia, Canada and prolly NZ (though I'm not sure of that one's financial contributions) to the Middle East, Africa, and Asia has contributed far more to conflict and suffering than it has to progress/reform/peace.

One of my favorite (and I perceive most accurate) observations comes from Albert Einstein (paraphrased): Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over, while expecting a different result the next time.

You'd think that sixty-plus years of the same results would have convinced us by now that there is no different result, and will not ever be, for the countries being financed have no need/desire to evolve. They'll just keep holding their hands out for money, with sad, down-trodden expressions.

"We're now solidly into the 21st Century, y'all. Time to help yourselves, because we're done."


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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2008, 09:51:50 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2008, 03:27:17 PM »

So where's all the pithy, intellectual discourse!?!? Where'd everybody go!?!?!?
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2008, 07:20:23 PM »

I think Africa is a waste of time until the africans pick up their act. Funny thing is I live in Africa big grin I have been here long enough to know that yes, the governments are corrupt, the colonizers also did some pilaging, the colonizers did also bring with the pilaging good education,architecture civilized manners and BBQ. However at the end the people themselves are irressponsable  even when given good advice they still are stubborn and prefer to stick to their stupid traditions. They have too many babies and that is causing poverty,more then any other reason given by leftwing crap out there, ie globalization,capitalism. Im no big fan of capitalism but it isnt the biggest cause of poverty. Too many stupid people is the cause of poverty. People need to take self responsability for their actions and to their children,and they will see their lives improving.

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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2008, 07:26:13 PM »

So where's all the pithy, intellectual discourse!?!? Where'd everybody go!?!?!?

We all flew south for the winter razz
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2008, 08:36:47 PM »

Well said SB
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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2008, 06:17:25 AM »

  IT'S ALIIIVVE!!!!


Still discussion-worthy threads shouldn't be left to die!!
   laughing my ass off

RW where did you get my pic from of me in the morning lol
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2008, 08:15:44 AM »

RW where did you get my pic from of me in the morning lol

Well thats not a  problem, just stuff Kiwi with Coffee and waffles and in no time she will be doing this:



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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2008, 04:18:38 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2008, 04:11:16 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2008, 05:59:21 AM »

Hosre ride I'll go get the waffles. big grin
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2008, 06:02:10 AM »

Cheese,,,,,, your game laughing my ass off laughing my ass off big grin big grin razz Devil Devil ed
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