Rabbi calls to abolish army service for women

[kiwi]

Rabbi calls to abolish army service for women

Prominent Zionist-religious leader Rabbi Shlomo Aviner rules girls must not enlist in IDF, move that he claims goes against Torah laws. In wartime, women's duty is to support their men, he writes

Kobi Nahshoni
Published:    05.12.08, 08:35 / Israel Jewish Scene

Prominent Zionist-religious leader, Rabbi Shlomo Aviner called on young religious women not to enlist in the army, a move he defined as a violation of Torah laws.


In an open letter published in the Mayyaney Hayeshua movement's pamphlet this weekend, Aviner ruled that army service is forbidden for all women, and urged his female readers to act for its annulment.

 

"Never enlist in the army?ever," Aviner wrote, quoting a list of leading chief rabbis and religious leaders who have prohibited such service in the past. "It is forbidden! Forbidden like kashrut! Forbidden like Shabbat! And especially forbidden like modesty!"

 

The rabbi stressed that while contributing to the State is indeed important, one must not do so by serving in the army. The women's duty during war, he wrote, was to support the men who go to battle. Enlistment, on the other hand, is a desecration of God's name.

 

Instead of dedicating themselves to the challenges of military duty, Aviner offered girls to fight for abolishing "this negative phenomenon."
      

"We need you to function as a pure and clean woman? and not to undermine your mental foundation? remember: Army service for women, in any shape or form ? is forbidden! Forbidden! Resist the temptation!" he concluded.

[kiwi]

LOL same Rabbi

Rabbi Aviner: Women must not wear pants even when alone

One of Religious Zionism's most prominent leaders defines trousers as a 'self-prohibition,' says women 'must dress modestly also when alone and in the dark'

Ynet
Published:    05.02.08, 19:19 / Israel Jewish Scene

Women must not wear pants even when they are home alone, Rabbi Shlomi Aviner has ruled.

 
Aviner, Beit El's rabbi and one of Religious Zionism's most prominent leaders, was asked in a cellular Q&A session published in the "Small World" bulletin, "When a girl goes to relieve herself at night, is she allowed to say the 'Asher Yatzar' ('he who formed') prayer while wearing a short-sleeved shirt and trousers?"

 
The rabbi replied that it is permitted to say the prayer in such a case, but added that "in general, a woman must always wear modest clothes even when she is alone and in the dark, because the Holy one blessed be he is everywhere. And yes, trousers are a self-prohibition even when a woman is alone."

 
Meanwhile, Rabbi Israel Rosen, head of the Tsomet Institute, has claimed an article published in synagogues over the weekend that "too much modesty leads women to the opposite direction, from abstinence to immorality."

 
According to the rabbi, this is "an axiom which applies to people who have experienced leaps forward and sharp transitions in their religious conduct throughout their lives."

      
Rabbi Rosen also slammed the haredi norm to omit names of women from newspapers and from invitations, comparing it to the veil phenomenon in Muslim countries.

 
"For so-called modesty reasons, the woman is only presented as 'his wife', nameless, veiled, and my heart twitches," he wrote in a weekly column published in synagogues over the weekend. "Is there no psychological connection between the hypocrisy of concealing the name and hiding the face under the 'Taliban-style' veil?"

[Mord aka Mark JTF Scum]

biggrin: :biggrin

[kiwi]

Clearly, he has a Torah wedged up his arse.

[~Buffy~]

yes

[Silver Bullet]

Clearly, he has a Torah wedged up his arse.

I was about to say........lol

Times have changed, even if the Torah really leaves the impression that women should not serve well we need to evolve and behave like civilised people and let our women be equal as stated by our laws.

[Ari]

 

[KellyMaureen]

   Come on...mills really wrote this didnt she

[Ari]

No, Kelly, good one, but all she would ever write is "stop with the vanity posts."  LOL, that and the administrators "know what they are doing."  What an ass-kisser?

[KellyMaureen]

No, Kelly, good one, but all she would ever write is "stop with the vanity posts."  LOL, that and the administrators "know what they are doing."  What an ass-kisser?

major ass kisser lol
though I did enjoy her post in the virgin thread....lol every time she goes to the dr they think shes pregnant or anytime she has something wrong they think its sex related that doctor must be asking for a reason lol

[kiwi]

My Doctor never thinks that of me  Damn I am boring 

[Ari]

LOL, I must have missed that one, ha ha.  Doesn't seem to match up with her newfound value system.     I'm starting to wonder what kind of movies she had those extra parts in.   

[KellyMaureen]

LOL, I must have missed that one, ha ha.  Doesn't seem to match up with her newfound value system.     I'm starting to wonder what kind of movies she had those extra parts in.  

Not any kind of movies I would watch Im sure 

[KellyMaureen]

My Doctor never thinks that of me  Damn I am boring 

LOL yes my Dr or parents never suggested any medical conditon I had might have been pregnancy when i was 14, my parents knew I was a good girl

[kiwi]

Yes well Kelly you were never a goth and we all know what a sub human culture that is.

[Ari]

Ha, she was a Goth too, and a Mormon, what hasn't she been?

[kiwi]

Ha, she was a Goth too, and a Mormon, what hasn't she been?

A good girl.

[sniper]

Pregnant

[Jacob]

Yes, but if you define "support" you get several outcomes:

tr.v. sup?port?ed, sup?port?ing, sup?ports 1. To bear the weight of, especially from below.
2. To hold in position so as to keep from falling, sinking, or slipping.
3. To be capable of bearing; withstand.4. To keep from weakening or failing; strengthen: The letter supported him in his grief.
5. To provide for or maintain, by supplying with money or necessities.
6. To furnish corroborating evidence for: New facts supported her story.
7.
a. To aid the cause, policy, or interests of: supported her in her election campaign.

As you can see: 2, 3 and a all clearly provide the necessary meanings to define "support" as much as a combat role (i.e., Israeli Defense Force) to a house-wife. This Rabbi needs to check his dictionary before he starts claiming to know the Laws. I agree, don't have women in a direct combat-role, both for ethical and medical reasons, but that doesn't mean women should be disallowed and / or exempt from military duties.

[kiwi]

Pregnant

God help the world ...........anyway money is on she way older than even me.

[sniper]

Good I don;t think the world is ready for the fruit of her loins

[KellyMaureen]

God help the world ...........anyway money is on she way older than even me.

She looks older then me in her pictures and im 32 so yes i would bet shes late 30s early 40s

[kiwi]

She looks older then me in her pictures and im 32 so yes i would bet shes late 30s early 40s

Or as we say "Mutton dressed up as Lamb"

It bets me why people are not proud of how old they are, I can't see the point being ashamed of your own self, body and life.

If you live a honest and true life there is nothing to hide. I have always looked older than what I am and I don't care one bit. But some of the great ladies here thought I looked younger.

that was so sweet of them.

I have earnt every greyhair, every line on my face through hard work. Damned if some porn loving jerk off is going tell me I am not good enough.

The truth is they will never amount to anything, they were born nothing and they will die nothing, and only their fleas and maggots will morn them.

[Ari]

You tell 'em, Kiwi.

[kiwi]

I have a get belief people should like you for who you are.