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Author Topic: FRAUD WARNING - "Ordre D'Ormus" To members of The Warrior Society  (Read 559 times)
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« on: May 17, 2008, 02:22:54 AM »

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I've have done some investigating of the claims made by a group porporting to be an ancient order of Chivalry known as the "Ordre D'Ormus".

This is the claim they make, on Facebook as well as a few other websites:

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Ordre d'Ormus: Members and Supporters

Type: Organizations − General

Description: Fr?res de la Rose Croix d'Or or the Ordre d'Ormus, also
known as the Society of Ormus, is a Chivalric Order first formed in
the Kingdom of Ormus in 96 by Ormesius; while, Ormus was still a city
state. In 1523, the port city of Ormus was occupied by the Portuguese
Empire by this time it had become a Kingdom. The people of Ormus were
considered St. John Christians by the Portuguese but apparently held a
Gnostic belief system . The heredity of its monastic Royal line was
recognized by Pope Clement VII on October 30,1524.
After the fall of the Kingdom of Ormus to the Ottoman Empire, a large
portion of the population immigrated to Europe.

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This is a scam, most likely perpetrated by one young man by the name of Bill Hagan. The same one who has been styling himself as a Prince of Royal Blood.

The Group is supposedly led by the mysterious "Princess Erica Romanovsky-Ilyinsky D'Ormus". Erica is, I believe, a work of fiction. She has also gone by the name "Erica Pike" and her Bebo pages can be seen here:

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=4294641994
http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=4387165340

Bill is an aspiring author, it would seem, as can be seen here, in his fictional tales about a girl named Erica Pike:

http://www.bebo.com/dreamsintheshadows

You'll note that the same two pictures of this "Erica Pike" are used, over and over, and they are the same as that which is found on Ms. D'Ormus' Facebook Page.

At some point, the author of these tales decided that, in the spirit of the Da Vinci Code, a fictional story sells best when it is sold as the truth. So he began to plaster the story of this ancient society on Genealogy sites and Royalty messageboards. As can be seen here:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.talk.royalty/browse_thread/thread/0baad876c6ebbd1d/ca08ef6895947e5c?#ca08ef6895947e5c

At this time, Princess Erica Romanovsky-Ilyinsky D'Ormus was still being referred to as "Erica Pike" as can be seen here in a verbatim quote of an earlier draft of their declaration:

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"This group?s membership is restricted to members of the Order of Ormus who are loyal to Erica Pike..."

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They weren't recieved very well, with the entry at alt.talk.royalty being given this terse rejection:

"This "order" was deleted from wikipedia (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Order_of...)
with very fast result - Delete, as hoax.

Zdenek Kucera"

The Ordre D'Ormus is not the truth, it is a fabrication. As the researchers at Wikipedia agreed, after someone (probably Bill) tried to put a "Ordre D'Ormus" page on Wikipedia.

Their response, which can still be viewed here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Order_of_Ormus

...was to declare it a hoax and a fraud.

There is no historical basis to the D'Ormus group whatsoever. When Googled, other supposedly "secret societies" draw millions of hits. D'Ormus recieves about ten, all of them places where the inventor of this scam has plastered the fake "origin myth" of the group.

I have been in touch with some of my old history professors at the University of Sydney. NONE of them were able, even with their advanced access to primary source material, to find even a trace of historical evidence to support the claims made by "Princess Erica" and "Prince Bill".

In response to my investigations, myself and the senior officers of the Warrior Society have recieved a barrage of bizarre messages from "Princess Erica" and "Prince Bill", in which they alternately demand answers and fawningly seek consensus. Since my replies were blunt, old Bill was worried enough to convert the Order into a facebook Secret Group. This is the not the act of a person with nothing to hide.

I do not like frauds, and so there will be no consensus.

Societies are based on the concept of fellowship and trust. The "Ordre D'Ormus" broke that trust with its membership the first minute that it declared its fictional origins as fact, and when a rather strange individual invented a character to lead it, and posed as her, deceiving a good many people.

I have additional information for those who wish to view it via email, and I have saved screenshots of all the relevant links I have posted, in case they "disappear", just like the Facebook manifestation of this scam.

Fraternally,
Michael MacConnell.
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2008, 10:59:50 AM »

I hate hoaxers! So many of them on the net.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2008, 10:54:29 PM »

Yes because they believe they can get away with posing. The internet is a great place to catch people out. You can't hide, if someone wishes to trace you they can.  wink
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2008, 11:17:43 PM »

Strange people
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