Whats Labors Plans?

[Chris]

Does Anyone Know Labors Plans with the Military if they get voted in? apart from the F-22 purchase

do they plan on cutting down the spending on the Military or anything?

[Crusty]

Chris, we have had a bloody Labour Government since 1995. If your labour Party is anything like ours, they'll expect the Services to do more, with less. Tony B liar has engaged our Services in three wars, at the same time cutting back on cash resources and new technology. Bloody Socialists!!

[101st Airborne]

There is talk of using the airforce for cloud seeding Chris.

[Collo]

It?s all unofficial but it?s not good news. As no official release have been made regarding the labour party and their plans for the ADF (as they will most likely loose the ADF vote), one can predict their plans through the domestic polices. Australia has a small populus; this affects the government?s income through taxes and the like.

 The labour party want to increase basic welfare income for example; a concerning matter for labour is to increase the amount of funds granted under the cash incentive for new born babies (taking it from $4K to $10K), this is only one of many ?free policies? labour have installed. They want to win the un-informed public vote buy literally buying them out.

Also it is clear that the labour government have not fully revealed their plans for the IR laws. They are waiting and waiting [and can not decide amongst themselves for that matter] to take the right action that will win them the election. They know that they can not fully remove the IR Laws as they know what effect it will have on the economy so they need to weed money out to pay  for their ?free policies? and support the other schemes they have planned and guess where that money is going to come from; that?s right the ADF.

If labour defeats the Liberal/National coalition come the next election, this country will have taken a massive step back from financially supporting the ADF.

[101st Airborne]

It isn't the only massive step back it's going to take. We are going to be back with an ACTU  government like the Hawke years.
John Howard is the best Prime Minister we have ever had. Such courageous decisions . Look at the firearms buy back scheme. Hundreds of thousands of firearms got taken out of circulation.
Lowest unemployment in Australia's history and highest wages. This all achieved after paying back 90 billion debt that Labor ran up before they were elected.
Now Australia has a water crysis. The Conservative Prime Minister has stated publicly that he will have to turn off the tap to 50000 farmers in the Murray Valley. These 50000 , all their families and all the business people who support them are Conservative voters.

John Howard cannot make it rain. But somehow the people think that Kevin Rudd can.
Get ready for a labor government. The people have lost their memories.

[Collo]

My God, 101 nicely said.

I am the only who thinks that Gillard is creepy?

[101st Airborne]

No woman has ever survived the front bench in a Labor government. Think back to all the disasters like Ross Kelly, Cheryl Kernot, Carmen Lawerance to mention a few

[Collo]

I am not even sure she is a woman but then again her continuous rhetoric about women?s rights (I am for equality but I don?t like when politicians push their own agenda as policy or on a national platform like Gillard) does tend to make one think that she is a woman. Note her attire in parliament doesn?t help.

[Elwingflys]

I knew it! Politicians are crazy all over. Glad to know we aren't the only ones stuck with weasels.

(My apologies to weasels everywhere for the insult)

[Collo]

I believe the US equal to the labour party is this Dumbocarps.

[Elwingflys]

Yes, sounds right, but with the Republicans in office you are out of work and starving to death, unless you are rich or near rich. It is their answer to poverty. LOL

[Collo]

Not the case the here. If you want work it's there you just have to get off your arse to do it. Now if labour wins, they will increase how much one gets when they are on the dole, mothers will get more money for having children and the country will slip back into the economic crud bucket it was under a Hawk/Keating government.

101 are you a fellow Liberal?

[Elwingflys]

Yeah. You have a population shortage too, I think. Over here all I know is that when the Democrats are in I'm working and things are good. When Bush  came in the company I was working for crashed and it was back to grabbing what part time I could get.

Actually what the trouble is that both parties are starting to be more interested in the extremes of the populous and to hell with the middle class and the middle of the road voter. The nut cases at both ends of the spectrum are running things.

[Collo]

True.

The incumbent government have earned huge dividends from the budget, this money is for when we really need it. Not to hand out to encourage growth purely on the fact that if a mother has a child she will end up with 10K. Labour will crash dive this countries economy [not to mention defence capabilities], as hard as it may be to some Australians that John Howard is Prime Minister, he is the man who lead his party to save this country from ending up a welfare dependant state with the ideology of "I don't have to work, the government will support me". I do believe that the IR Laws despite their ugliness is a small price to pay for the security of the nation.

Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard are weak who have no idea how to manage the country, they are yet to release their plans for the IR Laws yet they indicated their intentions, do you know what those intentions are; its to tweak them not get rid of them like the public thinks they will do. This country has many faults, the main one is the exsistance of the ALP.

[Elwingflys]

It always seems that everyone can get help except the ones that need it when the govt helps. California used to have welfare with big bucks for each child. They finally quit when they noticed that a lot of women were having a kid a year and making enough money to hire a nanny, buy a Cadillac, and go party till the next one came along.
One of the girls I worked with was on welfare, food stamps, and a bunch of other programs. The mother was raising the kid and she was buying sports cars and expensive clothes. We were making pretty good money too. Didn't do any good to report it either.
Heck 10K is almost as much as we get a year together for disability. No helpies for us though.

Politicians are a curse but I guess putting up with them beats the other types of govts out there.
If ~everyone~ would get off their butts and vote, even if it was for the lesser of two evils, eventually enough of them would get their butts kicked that they would start paying attention to business instead of goofing off.

[Collo]

Yeah, despite the flaws of the polies, we are lucky that we can speak out unlike other countries.

The current new born allowance or "bang for a buck as I call it"does have merit. Their are people who out their need that 4k and to another six to that would help them so much, the problem is and this about 45% of the welfare reciepents, spend the money on themselves like you said elfie, this makes me want to say the programme needs to be done away with.

There have been many cases where young mothers [under 21] are having multiple children just so they can cash in of the government. Then they expect the government to feed them, school them and support them when the decide they don't want to work. It really is shame and is  slap in the face for hard working honest mothers out there.

There have been cases where these young mothers have had the children purely to gain an income to support their drug habbit, I don't think I need to explain how wrong that is.

This country is starting to depend on the government way to much, they expect the government to look after them, it's like they think the government owes them. These people need to be taken and shown how cold the real world is.

Elfie, in the US it still is if you don't have a job you don't get paid?

To really sit down and see what the ALP  have install for this country is really scary.
 

[Elwingflys]

They should put a sensible top on the amount you can get for kids. $500 a month might be hard to get by getting things for one kid but when it gets to$1500 or more for multiples, they are bring home as much as some middle class families, the kids are wearing designer jeans, and momma has a new house.

You can get unemployment for a while, but if there are no jobs, there are no jobs. I was not picky. I can sling hash, build prototype electronics, do fiber optics, Run the instrument room in a hospital, or groom race horses, just to name a few. I will work if I can find a way. Now I can't unless I ever find a way to make a PC pay off, but with my skills, that is not a biggie on the horizon. It does have it's up side...I can come give you guys a hard time at weird hours and work on my art when the mood and inspiration strike. I don't mind not working so much as being broke. LOL

[Collo]

I really hate how people as you said Eflie get the benefits yet get around in the latest gear.

My mother delt with people when she worked with (lawyer for board of studies) who didn't pay for school fees or for school excursions yet the kids wore the latest clothing style. The parents would rather spend time at the pub or TAB than looking after their kids.

This is all a by-product of the negative economic plans that have been implimented under former ALP governments. Everytime a Liberal government rid the country of debt, secure our enconomic future through hard work and correct policies; the soft core commies come in and destroy all the hard work.

At the last budget the government had a surplus of 10.8 billion, this was the Howard coalitions' nineth surplus after being in power in ten years. The ALP want to take this surplus which is yet to be largely invested (which I think is being held as a reserve fund incase of the drought getting unbearable, which by judging what we are enduring now is just around the corner) and use it for programmes such as giving more money to people who are to lazy to work for themselves. They have no knowledge of looking after a strong economy like Australia. If a Rudd/Gillard/ACTU government get elected they will do what previous ALP/ACTU governments have done and p#$$ away our nations money not to mention future and security.

I believe that the new born should be handed out under two provisions:

The first being:
An assesment of the families economic stituation, taking not of education, employment prospects and current income. Also other socio-economic factors such as their housing arrangments, parental back incorporating their ability to provide for the child.

The second being:
Parents of average income can claim back expenses upto and including 4K on tax, providing invoices on purchases. This way parent who have means can claim the money and prove that the money is for the benefit of the child.

I am againts the proposed increase of funds but do believe that this despensing of the funds needs to be regulated more tightly

[Elwingflys]

I know what you mean. We have a long string of nutty programs. Btw, Clinton might have been someone you wouldn't trust your wives and daughters around, but he could run a govt. We had gotten out of the deficit for the first time that I can remember and were 3 trillion dollars to the good, Bush blew it even without the war. I paid more taxes after his tax cuts than I ever did before. Read the fine print and the cuts are for the corps and the rich and upper middle class. Some of the reporters are calling it the war on the middle class and they aren't far wrong. At least one major US city just about literally chased out the middle class with their policies. There were no middle management jobs, they had all been exported, just to mention one of their plans that backfired on them.

[Collo]

What I find the most amazing these ALP people. They claim that they are for the poeple, they claim that they are the people and they represent the common hard working Aussie yet they live lifestyles that their consituants can only dream of.

I have said this before, the biggest threat to our country isn't terrorists, isn't the drought, it's the ALP/ACTU.

[101st Airborne]

They are the enemy within Collo.

[Collo]

So true, so very true.