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It is painful to see the decline of Great Britain. Greatness in individuals is rare; in countries it is almost unique. And Great Britain was great. It used to be said that "The sun never sets on the British empire." That is how vast Britain's influence was. And that influence, on balance, was far more positive than negative. Ask the Indians -- or the Americans, for that matter. The British colonies learned about individual rights, parliamentary government, civil service and courts of justice, to name of few of the benefits that the British brought with them. Were it not for British involvement, India might still have sati (burning wives on the funeral pyre of their husband), would have no unifying language, and probably no parliamentary democracy or other institutions and values that have made that country a democratic giant, now on its way to becoming an economic one as well. But today, the sun not only literally sets on an extinct British empire; it is figuratively setting on Britain itself. Two recent examples provide evidence: One is the way Britain handled the recent act of war against it by Iran. Everything about the British reaction revealed a civilization in decline. Whether the British sailors and marines should have put up more resistance -- i.e., any resistance -- to the unprovoked Iranian military attack is something for military and other experts to decide. Whether the captured sailors and marines offered more information and more cooperation, and more smiles than was necessary to the leader of their kidnappers, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, will also be determined in ongoing investigations. Whether the British government engaged in appeasement of Iran or ineffective diplomacy will also have to be judged. What does seem clear, however, is that the British government did not confront the Iranians in any way reminiscent of a great country, let alone of Britain's great past. If we judge the British government's reaction alone -- without any reference to the behavior of the British sailors and marines -- Iran was the feared power, not Great Britain, which acted like the supplicant. But what really makes one weep for Britain's lost greatness is what has happened since the sailors and marines were released. The UK Minister of Defense, Labor MP Desmond Browne, announced that the released sailors and marines were all free to sell their stories to the media, "as a result of exceptional media interest." If this is not unprecedented, it would certainly be difficult to find anything similar in the annals of military history. Some of the captured sailors and marines have already earned large sums of money. The Guardian newspaper said the one woman who had been captured, Faye Turney, agreed to a deal with The Sun and ITV television for approximately $200,000. (American soldier Jessica Lynch, who was captured when her Army convoy was ambushed in 2003, received a $500,000 advance for her book, "I Am a Soldier, Too." But that was a book published later and she had never charged the news media when interviewed by them.) And John Tindell, the father of another of the hostages, said the marines were planning to sell on eBay the vases given to them by the Iranians. As The Australian reported, "Some of the sums being offered to the captives are higher than the money paid to service personnel maimed in Iraq or Afghanistan. The standard tariff for the loss of an arm is 57,500 pounds." The Labor government's decision was described well by the mother of a British soldier killed in Iraq. As reported by Reuters: "The mother of a 19-year-old British soldier killed by a roadside bomb in Iraq at the weekend said she would be 'very shocked' if any of the detainees were paid for their stories. 'If you are a member of the military, it is your duty to serve your country,' Sally Veck, mother of Eleanor Dlugosz, told the Times. 'You should do your duty and not expect to make money by selling stories.'" That pretty well sums up the revulsion many feel at the British government's decision. The other current example of Great Britain's decline is the widely reported (in the UK) decision of schools in various parts of that country to stop teaching about the Holocaust in history classes. The reason? As reported by the BBC, "Some schools avoid teaching the Holocaust and other controversial history subjects as they do not want to cause offence, research has claimed. Teachers fear meeting anti-Semitic sentiment, particularly from Muslim pupils, the government-funded study by the Historical Association said." No comment necessary. But a word of caution: If Great Britain can cease to be great in so short a time span, any country can. All you need is an elite that no longer believes in their country, that manipulates history texts to make students feel good about themselves, that prefers multiculturalism to its own culture, and that has abandoned its religious underpinnings. Sound familiar, America?--- Author: Dennis Prager Published on HumanEvents.com http://www.humanevents.com/search.php?author_name=Dennis+Prager
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2007, 12:51:39 AM » |
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one of the most evil empire in its time.raping and pillaging the countries they ruled ,of their wealth,and Natural resources . one of their most famous lines in the name of his majesty,we annex this land. in the name of god we must convert those savages,by any means
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2007, 03:05:35 AM » |
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Yeah like the Spanish and what they did to South America. Then there's the French.
And Cowboy, you wouldn't be living in peace and security in Canada if Great Britain hadn't made it hospitable for you now would you?
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2007, 03:11:55 AM » |
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It was God that made sure it didn't happen Collo. Great Britain was obviously part of the great plan.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2007, 05:07:00 AM » |
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Thanks for your support Collo and 101. I'd just like to clear up one or two things. The prefix 'Great' as in 'Great Britain' does not allude to Great Britain's vast, and generally well governed, Empire. please indulge me while I launch into a historical geography lesson! At the end of the Roman occupation of 'Brittania' towards the end of the 4th century, the Romano-Celts were being attacked by the Irish from the west, the Picts from Scotland up in the north, and by the invading Germanic tribes, the Angles, Jutes and Saxons from the east. A migration south, across the channel, was undertaken by the Romano-Celts to north west Gaul,(later France), which was still under Roman rule. This new country became Brittany, translated into the Gallic language as Bretagne. As 'Brittania' was also pronounced 'Bretagne', to differentiate between the two, the large island was referred to as 'Grande Bretagne' which translates as 'Great Britain'. England and Wales did not exist as such, until the Angles had dominated much of the country, and it became Angleland, 'Land of the Angles', later 'England. Hope you've got all that. There'll be a test later. Onto the sailors and Royal Marines taken hostage. 1. To resist capture, you take on two fully armed and powerful gunboats with a handfull of small arms weapons bobbing about in a couple of rubber boats? Now I'm no tactics genius, but that doesn't seem to be a healthy option. I daresay Hollywood would disagree with me! 2. Co-operation with the captors? I wasn't there, I can't comment. 3. Selling their stories? An absolute disgrace and an insult to servicemen and women everywhere. Take a look at the British Army Rumour Service to get an idea. (arrse.co.uk). The government and MoD personnel also involved should be sacked. 4. Great Britain's decline? Every Empire has its time. Two World Wars had just about bankrupted the country, and colonies were clamouring for independence. Let them have it, we couldn't afford to administer or garrison them anymore. 5. Decline of British character? A massive wave of immigration from our former colonies, particularly India, Pakistan and the West Indies, in the1960's changed our fabric of life. Now immigration is at a peak, as is emmigration of indiginous Brits. We have a left wing, power obsessed government that has been in too long. Political correctness is a leftie/liberal madness. Cowboy, you said it was the most evil empire of its time. At the height of the British Empire, there was also the Ottoman, French, Spanish, Moghul, Japanese, Russian and German empires, I'll leave you to do your own research! The empire's good far outweighed its bad. Ask citizens of Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Kenya, Sierra Leone, Burma and a score of other places as to how good things have been for them since the 'Brutish' British left! 
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2007, 09:28:16 AM » |
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Yeah like the Spanish and what they did to South America. Then there's the French.
And Cowboy, you wouldn't be living in peace and security in Canada if Great Britain hadn't made it hospitable for you now would you?
on whose expense?when was the last time you had a good look at the natives of these colonial countries,specially yours?ours are in the same boat. and whats the reason for aussies to push to become a republic?
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2007, 05:55:24 PM » |
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I would never attempt to argue Aboriginals with anyone who isn't a white Australian living here. No one else knows what they are talking about. Only other Australians on this forum know the real truth.
We aren't a Republic. We have a Republican movement here, but so does even Britain. It isn't hard for an outsider to imagine that since the war Australia has been filled up with non British migration that has no allegiance to Britain. The balance is tipping. That includes Ireland who are the leaders of the anti boss union movement, the Republican movement and anything non British here. Posted on: April 24, 2007, 05:33:55 PM Our world is being destroyed by socialist lawyers and enemies within like civil rights movements. Britain is going under because the people there have flirted with over ten years of liberalist, socialist,politically correct Labor Governments. Disastrous immigration policies that have seen the very fabric of British society worn away and replaced with alien doctrines.
This week the UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it "offended" the Moslem population which claims it never occurred.
This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it. Under John Howard and our right wing government, we have been able to stay strong and resist this here. The Cronulla riots illustrated that. White Australian youths finally took the law into their own hands and attacked the out of control Moslem gangs and defeated them in the streets.
But the people now want a Labor government here too with all it's political correctness. They are on the madness trail. It is coming. Australia is the last Bastian. If our way of life falls and we also succumb to the enemy within, where is there left to go?
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2007, 09:06:55 PM » |
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Thanks for that Crusty, your post almost makes one burst out singing God Save the Queen.
I heard it playing in the back ground lol
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2007, 09:15:55 PM » |
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Britian is still great, no matter what happens a country can only be measured by its people. The Royal family like any other family has its ups and down, all in all do a bang up job. Australia has a Britians Royal ruler All hail the old Queenie, I love her a lot and feel a great shame her children can't live up to her and God bless the old Queeen Mum. If Australians wish to back away from their history let them but the need to piss off out the country,the bunch of uni going, pot smoking, flea infested heathens! Worse kind of people we have here the spongers on the taxs payers crapping on about what they want. Who gives a rats behind, the lazy beggars. Australian belongs to the Queen long live the Queen. And anyone who says other was needs a good bollocking 
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2007, 12:30:34 AM » |
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thank god canada don't belong to her
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2007, 12:31:53 AM » |
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Well I just came from the Anzac Day march. The City gave out large Australian flags to everyone and there was a sea of southern crosses and Union Jacks. Anyone from some scumbag place that we have invited out here to enjoy what we have with us who didn't like it, too bad! Get over it! It's staying!
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2007, 12:47:44 AM » |
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thank god canada don't belong to her
Well i don't think she likes the French lol Canada is far enough away to be left to the middle east to inhabit, and asia to invade. Can't get over how many people there are not Canadains, anyway very rude people in general.
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2007, 01:03:56 AM » |
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Canada was one of the jewells in the crown. Wouldn't like to see the wogs get it.
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2007, 01:37:46 AM » |
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Well i don't think she likes the French lol Canada is far enough away to be left to the middle east to inhabit, and asia to invade.
Can't get over how many people there are not Canadains, anyway very rude people in general.
is that why you all come here by boat load Posted on: April 25, 2007, 01:35:59 AM
Canada was one of the jewells in the crown. Wouldn't like to see the wogs get it.
better them then the inbread royalties.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2007, 02:21:25 AM » |
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Sorry to have to point this out to you Cowboy, but Canada is a constitutional monarchy, whose Head of State is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second. This explains such titles as ' The Royal Canadian Regiment', the Royal Canadian Mounted Police' et al. Canada is not yet a Republic, so keep striving mate! 
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2007, 03:22:36 AM » |
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is that why you all come here by boat load Posted on: April 25, 2007, 01:35:59 AM better them then the inbread royalties.
What the hell you talking about, Australians don't go rushing to Canada, and New Zealanders either, its all the darkies that do. Get a life cowboy lol.
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2007, 08:25:59 AM » |
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Yeah like the Spanish and what they did to South America. Then there's the French.
And Cowboy, you wouldn't be living in peace and security in Canada if Great Britain hadn't made it hospitable for you now would you?
Yeah, the evil spanish in South America... but look: how many "indians" there are still in Latin America? Millions. How many "indians" there are in the US and the anglo-saxon America? very few...
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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2007, 09:21:33 AM » |
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What the hell you talking about, Australians don't go rushing to Canada, and New Zealanders either, its all the darkies that do. Get a life cowboy lol.
just do a little research through your immigration department,and you will find out how many skilled workers you loose every year to us.specially from medical field. Posted on: April 25, 2007, 09:14:51 AM
Sorry to have to point this out to you Cowboy, but Canada is a constitutional monarchy, whose Head of State is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second. This explains such titles as ' The Royal Canadian Regiment', the Royal Canadian Mounted Police' et al. Canada is not yet a Republic, so keep striving mate!  just a formality,the old bag has nothing to do with our laws and constitutions. now if lady di was still alive,we would love to have her as our queen
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2007, 03:47:59 PM » |
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*puts on a helmet and dives for a foxhole* I will say one thing about Canada, if you are anyplace but in the south, it is more French than English. My step-father was Canadian and I was amazed to find that any official document was written in French and you had to pay extra to have a English translation. It is the only foreign country I ever traveled in and while most of the English Canadians were warm and welcoming, the French, were rude and arrogant to an unbelievable degree. Even the police in Montreal wouldn't do you the courtesy of answering a question in English and then laugh behind your back about it and speak perfect English between themselves.
The world is changing, and not for the better it seems. Political Correctness is the worst form of censorship and suppression. People used to learn tact and manners but that is now regulated and not even the truth is allowed if it might possibly, in any remote way, upset anyone. When truth goes, it all goes, no matter where you live.
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  Peace is when everyone stands around reloading. Don't you know someone you would love to do this to? 
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